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		<title>By: David C Lewis, RFC</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-14587</link>
		<dc:creator>David C Lewis, RFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 20:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for commenting. Beneficiaries always receive the death benefit amount at death. Your question implies a slight misunderstanding of how the policy works. Technically, you never receive the cash value amount - even for universal life policies with increasing death benefits. No worries though - the death benefit would almost always be higher than the accumulated cash value because of IRS rules concerning the definition of life insurance (IRC sec 7702). The only exception to that rule would be if you reach age 100 and the cash value equals the death benefit or if the policy becomes a modified endowment contract (that rarely happens these days except in the case of single pay life insurance sales for seniors). 

But to your question: you could think of it as receiving the cash value plus the death benefit in this sense if that helps with the understanding (this is how life insurance marketing department describe it). Regardless, you&#039;ll get the higher amount (the death benefit) less any outstanding policy loans and surrender charges left on the policy. I hope this helps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for commenting. Beneficiaries always receive the death benefit amount at death. Your question implies a slight misunderstanding of how the policy works. Technically, you never receive the cash value amount &#8211; even for universal life policies with increasing death benefits. No worries though &#8211; the death benefit would almost always be higher than the accumulated cash value because of IRS rules concerning the definition of life insurance (IRC sec 7702). The only exception to that rule would be if you reach age 100 and the cash value equals the death benefit or if the policy becomes a modified endowment contract (that rarely happens these days except in the case of single pay life insurance sales for seniors). </p>
<p>But to your question: you could think of it as receiving the cash value plus the death benefit in this sense if that helps with the understanding (this is how life insurance marketing department describe it). Regardless, you&#8217;ll get the higher amount (the death benefit) less any outstanding policy loans and surrender charges left on the policy. I hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-14071</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 13:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My question is similar to part of walter&#039;s and I wish you would answer it.  If the cash value of a small policy increases to a level greater than the face value, what is the benefit at death, the face value or the greater cash value?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is similar to part of walter&#8217;s and I wish you would answer it.  If the cash value of a small policy increases to a level greater than the face value, what is the benefit at death, the face value or the greater cash value?</p>
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		<title>By: David C Lewis, RFC</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-2104</link>
		<dc:creator>David C Lewis, RFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You present an interesting question: If you really believe insurers won&#039;t make it, you&#039;ve answered your own question, but presented yourself with an interesting contradiction. Why waste money on term insurance if you think insurers will fold? Surely, if they cannot pay their death benefit obligations, it doesn&#039;t matter whether they are paying out a term policy or a permanent policy. 
 
As to your other concerns, some insurance companies *do* buy gold. For example, Northwestern Mutual buys gold to hold in its investment portfolio. If you thought hyperinflation was on its way, Northwestern Mutual could insure your risks better than you could as an individual. After all, if you could fully self-insure, you would be an insurance company.  
 
Finally, I do not know whether you would &quot;need&quot; your death benefit or not later on in life. I would also need to know more about the details of your policy before I could really comment on what your paid up additions will do (there are several options for dividends), whether you could receive your cash value prior to death, and what your beneficiaries would be paid. If you don&#039;t know how your insurance policy works, and it sounds like you have some questions about how your death benefit and cash value works (which is understandable), then you are in absolutely no position to decide whether you will or will not need that insurance. At this point, your best bet is to speak with an insurance professional. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You present an interesting question: If you really believe insurers won&#039;t make it, you&#039;ve answered your own question, but presented yourself with an interesting contradiction. Why waste money on term insurance if you think insurers will fold? Surely, if they cannot pay their death benefit obligations, it doesn&#039;t matter whether they are paying out a term policy or a permanent policy. </p>
<p>As to your other concerns, some insurance companies *do* buy gold. For example, Northwestern Mutual buys gold to hold in its investment portfolio. If you thought hyperinflation was on its way, Northwestern Mutual could insure your risks better than you could as an individual. After all, if you could fully self-insure, you would be an insurance company.  </p>
<p>Finally, I do not know whether you would &quot;need&quot; your death benefit or not later on in life. I would also need to know more about the details of your policy before I could really comment on what your paid up additions will do (there are several options for dividends), whether you could receive your cash value prior to death, and what your beneficiaries would be paid. If you don&#039;t know how your insurance policy works, and it sounds like you have some questions about how your death benefit and cash value works (which is understandable), then you are in absolutely no position to decide whether you will or will not need that insurance. At this point, your best bet is to speak with an insurance professional. </p>
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		<title>By: walter</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-2082</link>
		<dc:creator>walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting read.  I would like to ask a couple pointed questions if I may. I have two whole life policies. I have had them for 12 yrs. I believe we are heading towards severe inflation in the future. I know insurance companies have survived those before,  But, I also see loss of the dollar both in terms of dollar devaluation and confidence world wide. I think this could destroy Insurance companies that invest in stocks, real estate and bonds.Some insurance companies may default by not being able to pay out their claims. I am thinking of moving my money to gold and cashing out of my policies and buying Term insurance. If I live long enough, I will not need my death benefit, and if I die in the next 20 yrs I would have an affordable death benefit.  
 
Ok, now my two questions. First, if my cash value is accumilating and it causes my death benefit to increase, when I die ( assuming before age 100 which is end of my policy) do I only receive my FACE VALUE of my policy or the higher NET Death  value due to cash accumulations.  
 
Second question: do my PAID UP ADDITIONS actually pay out and cause my FACE VALUE number to increase AND will that be paid out upon my death IF before age 100 ( end of policy) 
 
Last question, as my cash value increases on the term of the whole life ..........IF I live to age 100, is that the only time I would receive my cash value since it should equal my DEATH BENEFIT? Both are so high and above the FACE VALUE of my poiicy. It appears to me this is the ONLY time I would recieve a greater death beneift. IT APPEARS ANY DEATH during the policy, The insurance company keeps the cash value, which may be greater than the FACE VALUE. Is this true? Yes or NO.  
 
Thank you ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read.  I would like to ask a couple pointed questions if I may. I have two whole life policies. I have had them for 12 yrs. I believe we are heading towards severe inflation in the future. I know insurance companies have survived those before,  But, I also see loss of the dollar both in terms of dollar devaluation and confidence world wide. I think this could destroy Insurance companies that invest in stocks, real estate and bonds.Some insurance companies may default by not being able to pay out their claims. I am thinking of moving my money to gold and cashing out of my policies and buying Term insurance. If I live long enough, I will not need my death benefit, and if I die in the next 20 yrs I would have an affordable death benefit. </p>
<p>Ok, now my two questions. First, if my cash value is accumilating and it causes my death benefit to increase, when I die ( assuming before age 100 which is end of my policy) do I only receive my FACE VALUE of my policy or the higher NET Death  value due to cash accumulations. </p>
<p>Second question: do my PAID UP ADDITIONS actually pay out and cause my FACE VALUE number to increase AND will that be paid out upon my death IF before age 100 ( end of policy)</p>
<p>Last question, as my cash value increases on the term of the whole life &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.IF I live to age 100, is that the only time I would receive my cash value since it should equal my DEATH BENEFIT? Both are so high and above the FACE VALUE of my poiicy. It appears to me this is the ONLY time I would recieve a greater death beneift. IT APPEARS ANY DEATH during the policy, The insurance company keeps the cash value, which may be greater than the FACE VALUE. Is this true? Yes or NO. </p>
<p>Thank you </p>
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		<title>By: David C Lewis, RFC</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-1706</link>
		<dc:creator>David C Lewis, RFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 14:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Cron--I am not infringing on anyone&#039;s right to their own life, liberty or happiness, and I am not advocating any kind of self-sacrifice on the part of the client so I reject your assertion that my views are immoral. Whole life and universal life aren&#039;t a &quot;rip off&quot; for the same reason that any other financial product can&#039;t be a rip off. I don&#039;t mislead people, so I think you need to check your premises there. In fact, I&#039;m one of the few advisers that actually delves into the inner workings of how these products really work. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cron&#8211;I am not infringing on anyone&#039;s right to their own life, liberty or happiness, and I am not advocating any kind of self-sacrifice on the part of the client so I reject your assertion that my views are immoral. Whole life and universal life aren&#039;t a &quot;rip off&quot; for the same reason that any other financial product can&#039;t be a rip off. I don&#039;t mislead people, so I think you need to check your premises there. In fact, I&#039;m one of the few advisers that actually delves into the inner workings of how these products really work. </p>
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		<title>By: cron</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-1701</link>
		<dc:creator>cron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your views are immoral. Whole life and Universal life are nothing but a rip off. The agents mislead people who buy those products so they can make a good commission. The problem is the devil is in the details and many fail to read the contract and agents fail to explain how whole/universal life policies work. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your views are immoral. Whole life and Universal life are nothing but a rip off. The agents mislead people who buy those products so they can make a good commission. The problem is the devil is in the details and many fail to read the contract and agents fail to explain how whole/universal life policies work. </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-1625</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 17:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You said nothing in response to the fact that eventually your cash value clients are paying the insurance company to hold their savings as it is replacing the face value. You smoke screen again by saying &quot;zero percent NET rate plicy loan&quot;. Tell me (everyone) straight out, does this mean the person &quot;using&quot; their savings pays absolutely no interest at all in any way shape or form? You can play with figures a lot when you throw in a concept such as &quot;net&quot; in the equation. 
 
There is too much smoke screen about the correct TYPE. As for singles or couples with no dependants, I do not know why anyone would mess with cash value insurance policies when there are so many great mutual funds available in various vehicles. I stand my ground. The number one most important factor in buying insurance is to get the amount needed to cover all your financial needs. Period!! 
 
If you want to waste your money investing in a cash value policy, go for it. But your insurance needs are much more important so PLEASE do not combine both. They are two totally different goals and should be handled in different manners.  
 
I care only to help educate those in need of insurance enough that they do not get sold a policy that  could ruin their lives.. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said nothing in response to the fact that eventually your cash value clients are paying the insurance company to hold their savings as it is replacing the face value. You smoke screen again by saying &quot;zero percent NET rate plicy loan&quot;. Tell me (everyone) straight out, does this mean the person &quot;using&quot; their savings pays absolutely no interest at all in any way shape or form? You can play with figures a lot when you throw in a concept such as &quot;net&quot; in the equation.</p>
<p>There is too much smoke screen about the correct TYPE. As for singles or couples with no dependants, I do not know why anyone would mess with cash value insurance policies when there are so many great mutual funds available in various vehicles. I stand my ground. The number one most important factor in buying insurance is to get the amount needed to cover all your financial needs. Period!!</p>
<p>If you want to waste your money investing in a cash value policy, go for it. But your insurance needs are much more important so PLEASE do not combine both. They are two totally different goals and should be handled in different manners. </p>
<p>I care only to help educate those in need of insurance enough that they do not get sold a policy that  could ruin their lives.. </p>
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		<title>By: David C Lewis, RFC</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>David C Lewis, RFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 12:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ed, 
 
You seem to be very passionate about your views. That&#039;s fine. However, I think your comments are somewhat misleading. Here are two examples (although your recent comments are littered with half-truths): 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Folks, this is the same thing as getting term at a more expensive 2nd term of time once the initial period ends.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Not true. As the difference between the cash value and the death benefit decreases, the cost for the insurance also decreases. This is not at all the same as buying term insurance at a higher rate on an annual renewable basis. In fact, with a permanent policy your insurance cost decreases while the cash reserve increases. As I have said and written many times, the cash value represent a cash reserve which is a cash advance on the death benefit. It&#039;s not a demand-deposit account, but it has advantages that demand-deposit accounts cannot offer. If you don&#039;t like those terms, you do not buy the policy.  
 
 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Now, if you want your savings for say, collage costs, you either borrow it and pay interest (some savings!) or you must cash in your policy to get the cash free and clear.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
That&#039;s right. They have to &quot;suffer&quot; with a zero percent net rate policy loan, or worse, a policy loan rate which is less than the interest earned in the policy and not pay taxes on the money they receive. Most people find this more attractive than paying 15 percent capital gains or ordinary income tax rates. 
 
With that said, I think it&#039;s wrong to say that permanent insurance is right for everyone and likewise it&#039;s wrong to say it is wrong for everyone. Of course, you&#039;re welcomed to your opinion but I would again suggest you take a gander at some of my other posts since all of this has been addressed previously. 
 
Thanks, 
David ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ed, </p>
<p>You seem to be very passionate about your views. That&#039;s fine. However, I think your comments are somewhat misleading. Here are two examples (although your recent comments are littered with half-truths): </p>
<blockquote><p><em>Folks, this is the same thing as getting term at a more expensive 2nd term of time once the initial period ends.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Not true. As the difference between the cash value and the death benefit decreases, the cost for the insurance also decreases. This is not at all the same as buying term insurance at a higher rate on an annual renewable basis. In fact, with a permanent policy your insurance cost decreases while the cash reserve increases. As I have said and written many times, the cash value represent a cash reserve which is a cash advance on the death benefit. It&#039;s not a demand-deposit account, but it has advantages that demand-deposit accounts cannot offer. If you don&#039;t like those terms, you do not buy the policy.  </p>
<blockquote><p><em>Now, if you want your savings for say, collage costs, you either borrow it and pay interest (some savings!) or you must cash in your policy to get the cash free and clear.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>That&#039;s right. They have to &quot;suffer&quot; with a zero percent net rate policy loan, or worse, a policy loan rate which is less than the interest earned in the policy and not pay taxes on the money they receive. Most people find this more attractive than paying 15 percent capital gains or ordinary income tax rates. </p>
<p>With that said, I think it&#039;s wrong to say that permanent insurance is right for everyone and likewise it&#039;s wrong to say it is wrong for everyone. Of course, you&#039;re welcomed to your opinion but I would again suggest you take a gander at some of my other posts since all of this has been addressed previously. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 11:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henry Glodny stated my points quite well above. You however continue to wave the smoke around and confuse people. An example is your statement above that cash value insurance policies are not a bad investment, more expensive, or a rip off. You go on to explain tha the mortality tables are the same for cash value and term policies. Listen, people do not care about the inner costs in a company, they care about what they are paying each month for the product. It is an undisputed truth that term life insurance costs less than cash value life insurance when compared dollar for dollar in face value amount. If a person buys gasoline he/she does not care that the companies all pay the same for the ingredients. They just care what the cost is to them at the pump! 
 
It does not matter the investment skill or ability of a person.or if a person can or cannot develop a good savings habit if they are seriously underinsured. The vast majority of people who are sold whole life policies cannot afford to buy what they really need to replace the loss of an income due to death of a breadwinner. You speak of goals. The NUMBER 1 goal is be properly protected and in this case it is with insurance. Then and only then should a person work at the secondary goal of saving. Only a small minority of people can afford the protection they need with whole life insurance. It is just too expensive. Folks, PROTECT your loved ones first, then worry about the rest of your future. Without proper protection there will be NO FUTURE!  
 
In your response to &quot;misleading statement #5&quot; you state that &quot;When the cash value accumulates in a policy, it builds up against the value of the death benefit effectively replacing it&quot;.  You also state that this is why the premium remains level. Folks, this is the same thing as getting term at a more expensive 2nd term of time once the initial period ends. Every time your cash value goes up, the actual insurance part goes down in a whole life policy. Eventually, if you do not die and you do hold on to your whole life policy  past, say 20 years (most term insurances are 20 yr level premium/face value policies), a large part of what you are paying for is not insurance but for the small amount of insurance left and your so called savings. Now, if you want your savings for say, collage costs, you either borrow it and pay interest (some savings!) or you must cash in your policy to get the cash free and clear. This 2nd way leaves you without insurance. This is how most people get their savings as most cannot afford to pay the high policy cost (most are by then retired and on fixed incomes) plus the interest on the &quot;loan&quot;. Does this really sound like a good deal???  At the later years of paying for whole life you are paying the company to hold their savings (it is theirs, not yours).because the savings has replaced the insurance as the author here has himself stated!! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry Glodny stated my points quite well above. You however continue to wave the smoke around and confuse people. An example is your statement above that cash value insurance policies are not a bad investment, more expensive, or a rip off. You go on to explain tha the mortality tables are the same for cash value and term policies. Listen, people do not care about the inner costs in a company, they care about what they are paying each month for the product. It is an undisputed truth that term life insurance costs less than cash value life insurance when compared dollar for dollar in face value amount. If a person buys gasoline he/she does not care that the companies all pay the same for the ingredients. They just care what the cost is to them at the pump!</p>
<p>It does not matter the investment skill or ability of a person.or if a person can or cannot develop a good savings habit if they are seriously underinsured. The vast majority of people who are sold whole life policies cannot afford to buy what they really need to replace the loss of an income due to death of a breadwinner. You speak of goals. The NUMBER 1 goal is be properly protected and in this case it is with insurance. Then and only then should a person work at the secondary goal of saving. Only a small minority of people can afford the protection they need with whole life insurance. It is just too expensive. Folks, PROTECT your loved ones first, then worry about the rest of your future. Without proper protection there will be NO FUTURE! </p>
<p>In your response to &quot;misleading statement #5&quot; you state that &quot;When the cash value accumulates in a policy, it builds up against the value of the death benefit effectively replacing it&quot;.  You also state that this is why the premium remains level. Folks, this is the same thing as getting term at a more expensive 2nd term of time once the initial period ends. Every time your cash value goes up, the actual insurance part goes down in a whole life policy. Eventually, if you do not die and you do hold on to your whole life policy  past, say 20 years (most term insurances are 20 yr level premium/face value policies), a large part of what you are paying for is not insurance but for the small amount of insurance left and your so called savings. Now, if you want your savings for say, collage costs, you either borrow it and pay interest (some savings!) or you must cash in your policy to get the cash free and clear. This 2nd way leaves you without insurance. This is how most people get their savings as most cannot afford to pay the high policy cost (most are by then retired and on fixed incomes) plus the interest on the &quot;loan&quot;. Does this really sound like a good deal???  At the later years of paying for whole life you are paying the company to hold their savings (it is theirs, not yours).because the savings has replaced the insurance as the author here has himself stated!! </p>
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		<title>By: David C Lewis, RFC</title>
		<link>http://www.twintierfinancial.com/the-truth-about/#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>David C Lewis, RFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 23:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no smoke and mirror. The basic principle of insurance happens regardless of whether you buy whole life or buy term and invest the difference. All of the issues you&#039;ve raised have already been answered in various places on my blog. I won&#039;t address them here but would suggest you reread this post and several others. It&#039;s all a matter of policy design, your skill and ability as an investor and your financial goals along with the purpose for those goals. Some people are not well served by a permanent policy. Many others are. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s no smoke and mirror. The basic principle of insurance happens regardless of whether you buy whole life or buy term and invest the difference. All of the issues you&#039;ve raised have already been answered in various places on my blog. I won&#039;t address them here but would suggest you reread this post and several others. It&#039;s all a matter of policy design, your skill and ability as an investor and your financial goals along with the purpose for those goals. Some people are not well served by a permanent policy. Many others are. </p>
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